It's very telling that so many Chainmail-isms appear in AD&D. To end up there, they had to have survived straight through OD&D - and many do!
People claiming "Gygax didn't play that way" are just trying to muddy the waters.
If Chainmail wasn't meant for use with 0e, then there would be no impetus for Chainmail-isms to appear in 1e. But 0e repeatedly says to use Chainmail, and its influence is clear in 1e, so any such claims are distractions from the Truth.
The unfortunate thing is that so few people actually know Chainmail, so they don't recognize it when references to Chainmail appear all over 0e (even where not explicitly cited), or when so many Chainmail patterns then reappear in 1e years later.
There is no question whether OD&D was designed for use with Chainmail. There is only the decision of people to be crabs in a bucket, or to bring Chainmail (or The Old Lords) to the table and learn the Truth for themselves.
I never got this how anyone could think this is somehow a valid counter argument against 0D&D being basically an expansion pack for Chainmail. Mainly because how Gary played his personal games has no baring on how the rules were written. Gary was a game designer, he didn't need a rule book to run games as he was the one who wrote them. D&D was written by him and Dave to give other ppl an idea how play a game like how they ran there theirs in a way other ppl could understand; not be a 1:1 of their own campaigns as no one but Dave and Gary could run their respective games like they did.
Keep writing! Eventually people will get it. Had another game of Midnight Chainmail last night with Capt_Hook and Merinus. It is a great little system for mass combat and people hate on it for no good reason.
It's very telling that so many Chainmail-isms appear in AD&D. To end up there, they had to have survived straight through OD&D - and many do!
People claiming "Gygax didn't play that way" are just trying to muddy the waters.
If Chainmail wasn't meant for use with 0e, then there would be no impetus for Chainmail-isms to appear in 1e. But 0e repeatedly says to use Chainmail, and its influence is clear in 1e, so any such claims are distractions from the Truth.
The unfortunate thing is that so few people actually know Chainmail, so they don't recognize it when references to Chainmail appear all over 0e (even where not explicitly cited), or when so many Chainmail patterns then reappear in 1e years later.
There is no question whether OD&D was designed for use with Chainmail. There is only the decision of people to be crabs in a bucket, or to bring Chainmail (or The Old Lords) to the table and learn the Truth for themselves.
"Gygax didn't play that way"
I never got this how anyone could think this is somehow a valid counter argument against 0D&D being basically an expansion pack for Chainmail. Mainly because how Gary played his personal games has no baring on how the rules were written. Gary was a game designer, he didn't need a rule book to run games as he was the one who wrote them. D&D was written by him and Dave to give other ppl an idea how play a game like how they ran there theirs in a way other ppl could understand; not be a 1:1 of their own campaigns as no one but Dave and Gary could run their respective games like they did.
Thanks for this, i really enjoyed Martin's video, and wondered what those more knowledgeable than me might have to say about it
Keep writing! Eventually people will get it. Had another game of Midnight Chainmail last night with Capt_Hook and Merinus. It is a great little system for mass combat and people hate on it for no good reason.
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